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MUSICA n.
102 february/march 1997
MAAG'S INTERVIEW
Buddhist peace at Furtwängler's
shade
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Peter Maag, the last living conductor who
can say to have been one of the great Wilhelm Furtwängler's
pupils, carries his 78 years with enviable freshness, and,
although his movements are more moderate when he conducts
the orchestra, his cordiality is really without limits.
We could listen for hours and hours to his memories about
the most famous conductors, singers and solists of the last
fifty years, and be fascinated even if we don't really know
much about the subjects of his stories.
However, still today, when Maag speaks about Furtwängler
a deep emotion shines through his light grey eyes.
Without any doubts, my meeting with Furtwängler
has been the most important event in my life.
In that period I was a pianist, and I had the honour of playing
Beethoven's Concert n. 4 under his conduction.
Immediately we established a nice relationship, and as soon
as the rehearsals finished, we started speaking about music
and interpretation.
To my great surprise, at the end of the concert Furtwängler
came to me and said: "Why don't you try to conduct? I
have observed you while you were playing the concert tonight,
staring at the orchestra more than at the keyboard. It was
more you than me that have given the entry .
I answered that I would like to conduct but I didnít
know how to succeed in being a conductor. So he told me: "You
must do what I am telling you: you must start in a very small
theatre and make the whole development from substitute to
Repetitor, to chorus master and finally to conductor. It must
be a very small theatre that could give you the occasion to
conduct".
I followed the advice of Furtwängler and I found a job
in a very small Swiss theatre in Biel-Solothurn. There we
had 22 musicians in the pit and a chorus of around 20 persons
and with these forces we did - you canít believe it
- all the main operatic repertoire including Tannhäuser,
Don Carlos... It was a bit adventurous: we obviously had harmonum
and piano in the pit and we arranged all of these operas.
Yes, it was adventurous but it was also a great experience
since in the five years that I remained in this small theatre,
I had the chance to conduct all those operas that otherwise
a conductor in his young years would not be afforded. I would
suggest such an experience to all young conductors.
The season in Biel-Solothurn was between October and the beginning
of April but in spring and summer Furtwängler asked me
to follow him as assistant. I travelled with him, I observed
him and I wanted to know his magic, how he succeeded to transform
the colours of an orcheste through his person. I discovered
that it was not a gesture or a movement which inspired the
orchestra but his eyes: sometimes the musicians were joking
and they told that when Furtwängler started to beat they
counted until twelve and then they came in. The magic was
not in effect in his hands or in his arms but in his eyes:
he captured all musicians and he controlled the most difficult
entries and even the dynamics quite with his sight only. Obviously
when Furtwängler was faced with an orchestra that was
not accustomed to his peculiar way of conducting, initially
the musicians were troubled by his kind of trembling beat
which was difficult to locate, but after a few minutes the
result was miraculously clean and the whole orchestra was
subdued by his eyes. It is always difficult for a conductor
to get a perfect _ensemble" in the first chords of Beethoven's
Fifth Symphony or of Mozart's Magic Flute, but strangely enough,
I never listened to an imperfect chord during a performance
conducted by Furtwängler with his indefinite beat.
I spent many years conducting and listening to other great
or young conductors but I never experienced the emotion that
I felt from Furtwängler and from his enormous and weighty
vision of the piece he was conducting, since he was himself
the music.
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Peter Maag's discussions of great conductors
of this century are always interesting but his relating of
some of the more curious episodes in his experience is never
disappointing:
A curious episode? There are conductors that
are really keen in their rehearsals and other conductors that
consider rehearsals as a formality. Hans Knappertsbusch didn't
like to rehearse: one day he had to play Tchaikovsky No.6
and he came to the rehearsals. He conducted a few bars and
he said: _I see you are very well prepared. Let's go to the
second movement. Give me letter B." And again he rehearsed
for six bars and he said: _Thank you very much and in the
Finale be careful that at letter W I go in six but only for
two bars then I return alla breve". So, somebody from
the orchestra stood up and told Knappertsbusch: _Listen, Maestro,
we have never played this symphony. Could you play it once,
so that we can have an idea of the whole piece?". Knappertsbusch,
a little bit annoyed, agreed and he played the whole symphony.
He was in bad humour and before playing the Scherzo he told
the orchestra: _This morning no ritornello". The fact
was that not all the musicians understood that it was only
for the rehearsal, so that at the concert the orchestra was
out when they started the ritornello and Knappertsbusch, after
trying to get the orchestra altogether loudly said: _To hell
with our rehearsals!".
I can assure you that Peter Maag's rehearsals
are accurate but always serene. This could be a product of
his past experience with the monks of an Himalayan monastery.
You know, initially besides music I studied
theology and philosophy and I have always been fascinated
by all mystic things and oriental religions. One day, in the
sixties, I decided to enter a Buddhist monastery for a few
months but then it became two years. I learned all about concentration,
meditation, which I believe influenced my music making at
a very deep level. However, if it was beneficial to me as
a musician, it was likewise detrimental to my career: my sudden
dropping of engagements was not understood and even condemned.
But I felt I had to go there, far away from my usual life
and my travelling from one continent to the other. I said
to myself that such a life had nothing to do with music and
with theology and that I was just becoming as a business man.
So I went to the monastery to cleanse myself, to find again
the real spirit of music and not to become victim of the routine.
When I returned after the two years break, people had forgotten
me and I had to start again from the beginning: one forgets
very quickly...
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Before disappearing for two years, Peter Maag
had already completed most of his famous Decca/London recordings,
including Mozart, Mendelssohn and some operas including Verdiís
Luisa Miller with Pavarotti, Caballé and Milnes.
I have a pleasant recollection of those
recordings, especially Mendelssohn's Midsummer Night's Dream
and the Mozart symphonies. Mozart's Symphony in A major No.29
is my favourite among the recordings which have been released,
but in my opinion my best ever recording was the Symphony
no.34 that I recorded in the late fifties with London Symphony
although strangely enough, it never appeared on Lp or CD.
I never really found out why it went unpublished; it was originally
conceived for a coupling with Symphony no.38 conducted by
Karl Böhm who, according to Decca, was not happy to have
his interpretation of one symphony on one side of the record
together with an interpretation of another symphony by a largely
unknown conductor on the other side. I don't know if this
is the truth although I could probably understand Böhm's
viewpoint, but it remains that the master of this symphony
is somewhere in Decca's warehouses and nobody, except me and
the producers, listened to this recording. I believe that
such a situation is frustrating for any conductor. So I am
really happy that my next recording with Orchestra di Padova
e del Veneto will include Mozart's no.34.
As a conductor Peter Maag is recognized worldwide
as a specialist of Mozartís music. It's difficult to
enumerate how many times he conducted the trilogy Mozart-Da
Ponte, The Magic Flute or The Abduction from the Serail but
he is probably the one living conductor who can boast the
largest number of performances of these masterpieces.
Mozart's operas were our daily bread when
I was in Biel-Solothurn and since that period every year I
conducted Mozart, so that I feel myself really involved in
this music. When I was still young my big passion was for
Wagner but eventually my regard for Mozart's music became
deeper and deeper. I am really happy when I can feel that
I, through my way of conducting his operas, improved something.
And I am by no means at the end.... Nobody asked me in the
past to record these operas and I didnít seek the opportunity
myself. But now, even though recording may not be a top priority
depending on ones view, I would welcome the chance to tape
Mozart's operas.
I have met many conductors in their elderly
years and with the sole exception of Sergiu Celibidache, each
became frantic about making new recordings: Karajan, Bernstein,
Böhm... A similar thing is also happening to Peter Maag
although during the sessions his enthusiasm and freshness
is that of a twenty year-old. Six-hour sessions go by in a
flash for him and I remember during the recording of one of
the Beethoven's Symphonies for Arts, he remained in the podium,
without indicating that he was ill but bearing a very high
temperature and a double broncho-pneumonia. _Thanks to the
clean air of my mountains" - he told me, referring to
his house, high in the Swiss Alps near St.Moritz, implying
that the air and the nature fortified his body and his spirit.
I have had a close relationship with nature
since my childhood. I like wandering, I like mountains and
I think if you are close to nature, you can have a cleaner
feeling for music. If you have a cleaner feeling you can better
suit your instinct and you can get points otherwise unattainable.
The instinct often doesn't follow the logic and it often happens
that some of my pupils during my courses of conducting, ask
me: _Why do you do this?" I must confess that I hesitate
sometimes, simply because I don't know the answer. But if
I am obliged to clarify my intuition, if I must give a logical
explanation, this process itself helps to deepen my knowledge
of that music.
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There are a lot of intuitions in his recording
of the symphonies of Beethoven. Peter Maag taped these basic
masterpieces after his 75th birthday even if he performed
all the symphonies for more than 40 years: almost a paradox
for a conductor clearly linked to the world of German music
who was a pupil of Furtwängler. Again it may seem paradoxical
that Maag elected to record the symphonies with an orchestral
group that is decidedly smaller than the traditional orchestras
of the romantic interpretation, which offer symphonies with
a strong sound impact using a wealth of redoubled strings
and wind instruments.
I was always a little bit afraid because
probably I had to live in the shadow of Furtwängler and
I had the feeling that I would never be able to do and to
record Beethoven in a such great way. However slowly I gained
the courage and I faced the symphonies. I must say that it
was a wonderful experience as a conductor to record such masterpieces
in the late years of my life, even if Beethoven is a real
adventure for all ages. If Furtwängler could listen to
these recordings I hope he could find well exposed his teaching
but I am sure he would tell me that these interpretations
are more rational than he could expect, even if the intuition
enjoys for me a special regard.
This is probably the heritage of my collaboration with Ernest
Ansermet, who always supported a rational background in music
making: he was not by chance an excellent conductor for the
XXth Century music. Ansermet gave to my romantic soul the
French drops of reason and maybe the decision to record the
symphonies of Beethoven with a chamber orchestra is linked
with this experience. A chamber orchestra doesn't allow you
to hide yourself but gives the opportunity to bring into the
foreground the infinite details of the score. The Orchestra
di Padova is anyway a special orchestra, because their 8 first
violins play as they were 15 and all musicians give 200% when
they play in concert or they record. I believe that this orchestra
will be a big surprise for most of the critics. So will be
the Athestis Chorus in the ninth symphony, a vocal group which
is used to perform baroque music that gave a pleasant freshness
in the fourth movement. Remember that Beethoven had a romantic
spirit, but he was not fully involved in the Romanticism and
his music is really bound with the Classicism. So that his
symphonies must be not a demonstration of orchestral power.
Strangely enough, Peter Maag is really satisfied
with his recordings of Beethoven's symphonies. Usually all
conductors or soloists after listening to their recordings
find many differences with their present interpretation and
if they can they would change a lot of passages and tempos.
This is not the case with Maag. Maybe it is due to the tranquillity
he experienced during his Himalayan interlude, perhaps his
vision of these works is finally affirmed. The fact is that
he recognizes himself in these recordings perfectly, is happy
with his choice of tempos (and what tempos! Breathtaking,
from the fastest Finale in the Seventh, to the peaceful and
commode way of his debut of the Pastorale, or the intimate
and slow Adagio in the Ninth) and he especially believes in
his interpretation and in his Italian orchestra. The same
confidence can be found in his new Mozart cyclus which he
began in 1996, again for Arts.
I believe that Mozart would have liked to
play his symphonies with an Italian orchestra. Obviously we
have the wonderful _Viennese" sound of some selected
Austrian and German orchestras but don't forget the _Italian"
sound for most of Mozart's music because the Italian world
was extremely important for Mozart until his late period.
The sound of an ensemble like the Orchestra di Padova e del
Veneto is not swollen but clear. There is always a big tension
in their sound and Mozart's music is closer to Vivaldi than
to Brahms. Moreover the Orchestra di Padova has just the size
I can imagine for this music. I like these new recordings
of the late symphonies as I like my previous recordings for
Decca with London Symphony. There is only one big difference:
I am older today and if the music is always the same unfortunately
or luckily I have been changed...
I left Peter Maag to his serenity and to his
enthusiasm. I left him leading and managing his "Bottega",
a sort of school for young singers in Treviso, an activity
that he cannot do without. Even his concerts in Europe, in
America, in Japan and in the Far East must take a backseat.
He takes his leave of me, as a Himalayan monk might, telling
me: _The life is wonderful but if you live within the music
you are the happiest of all men".
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